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samusaran253
04-20-2011, 10:41 AM
After seeing some people, mostly Europeans, claim that all Americans are stupid because our "education system is worse than North Korea's" and making other baseless claims like that, I've decided to share my own experience with the education system of the United States. After going through America's 13 year system, let me say this, it was easy. I wish I could be one of those people who say that high school (the last 4 years of the education system; the last 6 years, if you count junior high school), but they weren't, in fact I am a much happier person now than I was in high school. By no means am I implying that the American education system is perfect, since no system is entirely perfect, but it's definitely not as bad as the liberal media makes it out to be.

No, I'm not a prodigy or anything, but I went through the education system and it worked fine. I didn't go to some fascist Orwellian high school with metal detectors, school uniforms, strict dress code, drug sniffing dogs, or police everywhere. I also didn't go to a run-down high school with gangs, violence, bullying, or anything like that. I just went to a normal American high school. Please note that I am basing this entire thread upon my personal experience, which was with a high school in a semi-rural area, and by no means represents urban (city) high schools, which are likely gang infested.

I went through the system like everyone else, did my education like everyone else, K-6, 7-8, and 9-12, and I wasn't generally a straight A student, nor did I have perfect behavior. I definitely could have been a straight A student had I applied myself more, but that was not the fault of the education system, that was a fault of my own. I am an extremely intelligent human being, and have been since I was about 13. I can code and design an entire fully functional website in less than an hour, I am informed about almost all political issues and have opinions on them, I study political ideologies and religions in my free time to further my knowledge, I know how the world works both in high school and after it, and I was always a step ahead of most of my peers, and still am today in many cases.

We teach our children and later our teenagers just fine, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Does that mean I want to lessen funding towards education? No, in fact I want to increase funding towards education. I feel as though education is very important for today's young people, but remember, high school is all about learning how to become a productive and social member of society, K-6 on the other hand is all about learning basics such as the English language, science, mathematics, and other core classes. My school district never had the best funding, and in my final year of high school it was/is crumbling now, because of lack of state funding. It has gotten so bad that they had to close down a lot of elementary schools in the area, and merge them with other elementary schools. They're even planning on merging an elementary school with my local junior high school, which many of the locals, myself included, are strongly against.

Now lets get down to the social aspect, high school has virtually no bullying, bullying is something little kids do in the K-6 system, not teenagers. No, I wasn't some popular football playing jock who had a cheerleader girlfriend, in fact, I was the opposite. I was the video game playing geek with practically no friends. Sure, I had some "friends" who I would hang out with at school and talk to online, but like most people, I only had maybe one or two real friends. But even within my own group, I was one of the people who just didn't fit in entirely, despite me being one of the two leaders of the group, and the administrator of the group's official message board. We had cliques, of course, like every high school does, there were the jocks, the emos, the stoners, the cheerleaders, the preps, the band geeks, the goths, us gamers, and all other kinds of cliques, and of course there was also individuality. But cliques are nothing like what Hollywood makes it out to be, everyone gets along with everyone else, and everyone has friends in every group, and all groups peacefully socialize with each other.

There were no gangs, but again, I've never lived in a major city, especially not a poor area of a city. We did have some drugs though, of course there was alcohol and smoking, but never on campus, and those are of course general things teenagers do to rebel (or because they get addicted). There wasn't any peer pressure though, no one ever pressured you into doing drugs, or even really asked you too. Of course, there's the occasional pot, but pretty much no one got into the hard drugs, maybe a few of the stoners did some of the hardcore stuff like meth, but no one I know (aside from one girl, but she graduated a few years before me). Now then, teen sex, sure, there was a lot of that, but most people played it safe and used condoms and/or birth control. There were a handful of pregnancies each year, but they brought that upon themselves. As for fashion, let me say that, like most guys, I'm not very adept when it comes to fashion. I would just wear whatever I felt like, and never got made fun of or singled out too much. Sure, there were the preps who always wore Hollister or the emos who generally wore darker clothing, but it certainly wasn't a fashion contest or anything like that.

I'd say the school system is pretty damn good, if not the best in the world. Sure, after high school, like most people, I missed it, and still do sometimes. I wish I could go back and be 13 again, a teenager, and start my adult/teenage life over. But all-in-all I'm glad of the person I am now, I'm not rich or overly successful yet, but I work hard and I'm getting there, since that's what America is all about, hard-work and making your own future. The school system has already vastly improved, my baby brother learned in 3rd grade what they taught me and everyone else in 5th grade. He was learning multiplication and division in like second grade. So yes, I'm glad our school system is making strides to become better, because our young people are the future of this country. Do I think we need to completely overhaul the school system? No. Do I think we need to take extreme stances like metal detectors, teachers beating students, school uniforms, strict dress codes, search and seizures every 2 hours, drug sniffing dogs, or anything like that? No. But I do think we need to fund education more. Of course, you have to remember that every high school is different, and with that, I bid adieu.

DaDominator
04-20-2011, 11:21 AM
I was constantly told I was the best in high school leading me to become the laziest person alive in regards to schoolwork. I would copy homework answers from the internet or other people in class and then ace the tests purely because I was able to memorize things quickly. Even though I was valedictorian in high school with a 4.3 GPA, I didn't have any schoolwork ethic. When I got to college, I bullshitted my way through two years of school. I hired people in India to do my homework and I bought solution manuals instead of textbooks. Yet, I still did fine on tests because I was able to cram really well and figure out innovative "cheating" methods (writing shit in code on an equation sheet etc).

All in all, my high school experience taught me how to get around the system without doing anything. I dropped out of college earlier this year because it didn't challenge me. I had a 3.1 GPA when I could easily had a 4.0, but I had no want to do it.

Anyways /rant. I'm a huge fan of teaching yourself shit. I've learned more from books and the internet then I ever have in school. School always held me back and made stuff I was interested in seem boring. When I told one of my professor's this, they signed me up for an ADD test. That test just made me more angry with the school system. It was basically a "psychologist" asking me super vague questions like "have you ever ever had ANY trouble studying?". Questions for which the only possible answer is "yes" if you're a normal human being. So yeah, they told me I had ADD and signed me up for ADD medicine which in all honesty was not good for me. I felt like it held me back and made me think about nothing. Instead of daydreaming during class about business ideas or cool inventions, my mind was completely blank and I would just stare at the blackboard for a full hour and accomplish nothing. In other words, I didn't need the meds and I probably don't have ADD. Believe it or not, the only thing that could ever make me pay attention in class and want to learn was weed. I'd always have a good time in class and I'd always try and listen to the prof when I was high.

I'm probably different than the average student, but I'm not alone. I have quite a few friends who share similar experiences. Now most of this isn't problems with the US education system but the specific college I went to. I feel if I had gone to a college like Cornell or Stanford I would have fit in a bit more than a christian liberal arts college.

samusaran253
04-20-2011, 11:25 AM
USA is actually above England, but behind South Korea.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/12/7/1291740184391/PISA-rankings-within-OECD-001.jpg

TacoGrease
04-20-2011, 09:07 PM
I did not go to a public high school, but from the outside looking in it really seems like you get out of it what you put in- just like anything else in life. Most of my friends go to the public school in my town, and all of their experiences have been quite different based on what they wanted out of it. Some of them were always planning on going to the local California State University (CSU), so they did not have to work all that hard depending on what major they wanted (ie fruit science is really easy to get into, aerospace engineering one of the hardest). Others wanted UCs, so they had to work a bit harder, take AP classes, and do some community serve. And beyond, some of them wanted to go to Ivy Leagues, so they had to bust their arses all throughout hs. And even though I made the most of my education at my school, I did not get into any Ivy's (waitlisted at one, though). So really, I do not think the system is broken if people do not want it to be- the kids who want to walk through it can do just that.

Having said that, though, I do think the quality of education in public schools between states- or even different districts within a state- can wildly vary, which I think is a bit ridiculous, though difficult to avoid- most teachers would rather work at a public school near a beach town than in inner city Detroit, for example.

Jeroen030
04-21-2011, 07:15 AM
USA is actually above England, but behind South Korea.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/12/7/1291740184391/PISA-rankings-within-OECD-001.jpg

USA is above UK for reading, but not for Maths and Science.


Proud to say I'm belgian, so I'm above you guys ;-)

xlf3
04-24-2011, 11:30 AM
Canada has us beat eh? Would have never imagined that.

skepter
04-24-2011, 06:48 PM
lol I thought for a second that someone was going to talk some shit about collective bargaining rights. There's a lot of inconsistencies in USA's education system mainly because it varies from state to state and teachers unions are not in all 50 states. Happy teachers = good results.

Djzzero
05-01-2011, 01:24 PM
I had a essay topic about this on my writing proficiency exam in college recently, I say our high school system is pretty fucked up like it felt like they didn't challenge me enough to be prepared for college. Like once I walked into college, it was a whole different level. I know by this because everyone says college is a big step from high school. My argument was high school does not prepare you for college at all. It was a breeze in high school I didnt even try and still got my A's in school. Didn't study or cared really lol.